via Rap Radar / TIDAL

Oh the heels of his 4:44 album, Jay-Z sits down for a rare interview, opening up on the latest Rap Radar podcast on TIDAL.

During the one-hour, candid conversation, which was filmed at the Soho House in Malibu, the hip-hop mogul opened about about his wife Beyonce’s LEMONADE project, which many speculated addressed infidelity in their home.

“We were working on our sh*t and becoming tight and super real with each other,” Jay explained. “That sh*t didn’t mean nothing. It’s hard, of course. It’s difficult to go through, but the real sh*t… I was there the whole time, the tour, the making of the album, it was therapeutic. It was good. It’s good to deal with your sh*t. It’s so worth it.”

From there, he explained that 4:44 was also therapy for him. He addressed the controversial track “Kill Jay Z”, which many took as a diss to Kanye West.

“It’s not even about Kanye,” said Jay. “It really isn’t. It’s just his name is there, right? Because it’s just honest, it’s truthful, what happened. But I’m saying, the whole point is, you got hurt because this guy was talking about you on a stage but what really hurt me was, you can’t bring my kids and my wife into it. Kanye’s my little brother. He’s talked about me a hundred times. He made a song called ‘Big Brother.’ We’ve gotten past bigger issues. But you brought my family into it and now it’s a problem with me. Now, it’s a real, real problem.

“He knows it’s a problem because me and him would have been talked about it, we would have been resolved our issue, but he knows he crossed the line,” he added. “I know him. He knows. Not only does he have to know, I know he knows because we never let this much space go between one of our disagreements and we’ve had many. That’s part of who we are. That’s what I like about him. He’s an honest person. He’s open and he’ll say things and he’s wrong a lot of times but we’ll confront it. But that’s not the point. The point is, I was getting to the point where I said, ‘You got hurt by that.’ That’s nothing. You can’t diss somebody saying you got hurt. That’s the softest diss of all time. ‘You got hurt ’cause you did cool by ‘Ye.’ I dissed myself, actually. What are you talking about, you sucka-ass n*gga? That’s the softest sh*t of all time.”

Jay goes on to say that Kanye’s onstage rant about Beyoncé and how their children don’t play together rubbed him the wrong way. “Don’t talk about anyone’s kid onstage,” he said. “It’s too much energy. You give room for anybody to comment. Our children are already in this place where they are affected by our celebrity. Don’t go doing something that allows people to pit us against each other and talk about my child or even his child. Don’t do that.”

When asked if their beef is spiled over into TIDAL, which Kanye recently decided to cut ties with, Hov said that was not the case. “I don’t care about none of that,” he said. “It’s Kanye’s decision and has always been his decision. I’ve never held anybody back in my life from doing anything. You can’t name one time I hold people back. From what? I don’t do that. It’s not who I am. It’s nothing about business.”

Watch the full Q&A below: